Hello,
Well, yesterday me and my brothers went to say goodbye to one of their friends who graduated from Stanford and now he is going back to Palestine to work there. Anyway so we went to a nice middle-eastern restaurant, but the thing is, all the people there are geniuses.
it was really frustrating to see that many lucky/smart people around you, we had MIT undergraduate and graduate students, most of them Stanford students or graduates, that beside the PHD guys from Stanford, this was really frustrating when talking to someone, i tried to ask what made you accepted to such universities, it was of course bunch of characteristics that I don’t possess, and i am pretty certain neither do you. one of them is publishing papers, so did any of YOU published a paper, or helped doing so?
and it is not just yesterday, all the Arabic people here are associated somehow to a great university, i felt really small in comparison to them, not the best feeling, i try to boost my self-esteem by claiming that if i was accepted by such a school, i will do good in it since all my super characteristics are “Hidden” from my resume, so i may not be accepted but still i will be able to succeed in such environment.
they are all pretty smart, you can easily notice that they r not just lucky bastards, the only consolation i find that both my brothers didn’t graduate from super school, even though i consider them pretty smart folks
My brother Muhammad Arrabi created the “Risk” board game using Qbasic in high school and he made the snake game which three players can play it and u can even put AI against you, in Risk there were three kind of AI even and colors and everything. Me and muneeb acknowledge his smartness while young, but now it is much more hidden than before.
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I had the same feeling when i got here, I work at RWTH which is the MIT of Germany…but i do not know, i think if someone did it then we can do it…
why would u need a better university? now let’s put it this way, these people are scholers! they want to get phd and stay stick to the academic life! that what makes them publish papers! and btw we are not the best people on earth! one of the things we all share is Underestimating the others! while we our self are not the best! and one last thing! yea ur us nice to grad from such a school
Always too late:
- We are the best people on earth. If you do not feel the same then feel free to exclude yourself.
- Our C.V’s when we were still at Highschool were exceptionally sucky but in comparison to the place where we came from they were at least above average.
- Getting admitted to such colleges as MIT, Yale..etc is surely nice. Ellaborate more on the things they posses and you don’t. What was the paper he published before getting into college about?
- If Sa3ed 3arrabi ever suffers from self-esteem issues the world as we know it would be completely destroyed a couple of years prior to that.
I’m not in a position to talk about them.. or you but that’s how I feel.
The Summoner has spoken
well, one of them got full mark in saudia arabia, and if some idiot ( i guess malik in this case) say saudia is easy, well, he was the first in the whole kingdom, no one got 100 except him, so it is something, the other one i am not sure what he did since he was accepted undergrad and grad in MIT and he is from saudia too, there is another guy who kept the GPA 4.0 during undergrad and graduate and now he is phd in stanford, i think he is still 4.0 GPA.
Ahhh, the mit guy told me he joined every possible club he can during his university time. this thing i believe we r bad at. well, seelawi is doing something on the side, which is awesome, but i think the rest r not doing so. and as it annoying to admit, when chatting to couple of old female collegues, apparently they join these stuff more than we do, did you know that hala was a DJ for a period of time?
I guess girls go toward such things since they don’t have many other options, but still, we should go towards such things even if we can hang out instead, that’s my opinion, but again, we will live, grow old and then get stuck in work for several decades. i will post my random depressing thoughts soon, but not now, i think have i have two now, i will share them later.
and essam, luckily i don’t suffer from self-esteem issues, and u know that since i suffer from exxcessive self-esteem issues. ( i think most people who met me agrees since i used to brag alittle bit more than i should) but i think we need to drop the idea that we r the best in the world, and even in our environment, we didn’t do much, we barely handle what got thrown to us, we didn’t do much from ourselves, do u remember the translation of harry potter or lord of the rings? i still believe it should have been done just for the heck of it. it is not hard, it is not anything, but we r just too lazy.
btw a little French child has already translate these stories to his language and posted them on the internet. and u Summoner just tell me what u did at the last 10 years rather than twisting your balls and getting them busted like 3 times? and yea may be getting depressed?? a friend of mine that I thought was not that much turned out to have a scholarship at Japan (engineering) and I discovered that he went outside to youth conferences as a part of an official government group, not to forget the awards he got including vacations paid! so man do not live like an anime character! we see our selves extra ordinary because we just share the same ideas (not because we really do but for the heck of getting stuck 3 years together) so give us somthing that proves your the best! then speak!
i agree with yuri strongely…
and yes saad..saudi is easy..check how many people got 99.9 in the same year! we all know that..it is a fuckin’ fact….
summoner…you need to get out of your bubble man…we are not special..actually we are hanging AROUND average…if not below now….
True, you do not need to go to a super school to be a good student…but i think it gives you more opportunities in the long run..
Depends on your definition of good and bad (or maybe worse and better).
Let’s see, I remember asking about what these guys (the special ones) did to get admission in these fancy colleges and the only answer I got was about their highschool and GPA. IF that’s what’s good then I’m utterly wrong.
Malik said:
“you do not need to go to a super school to be a good student”
If good is being a good student then I’m utterly wrong, again.
Yuri said”
“just tell me what u did at the last 10 years rather than twisting your balls and getting them busted like 3 times? and yea may be getting depressed??”
If that’s being bad then I’m utterly wrong, again.
Yuri also said:
“give us somthing that proves your the best! then speak!”
I wish I can prove it. Do you think I’d have such a proof and still hang around with you?
- Being smart is something, being successful is a totally differnt thing. Being good is absolutely something I do not hope to understand.
- I remember using the “we” instead of “I” but anyways I’ll be getting to it. Let’s take Sa3ed as an example of the “we”. What things did you not do that you regret now and that you think will be an advantage for others when competing with you in the future? I consider myself on a lvl that’s a little bit higher than stupid and can think of a couple of good things that might be cool to have on Saad’s CV when he’s done but again do you think it’ll matter?
- At this point I’m fighting an urge to go on the offensive and hurt people but I’ll think of something pleasant for the sake of the 3 yrs Yuri mentioned. Let’s talk about Yanal. Yanal did some stuff at school that are nice. I’ve been telling Malik how I was thinking about the past few years in my free time. I’m not sure if it was only me that missed this fact but if you observe Yanal’s behaviours through out school and college you’d notice that he’s a true genius. developing some unfamiliar pattern for adaptation with w.e is thrown at him. But all the same, What do you think differntiates him from any other student in his engineering class? Nada, maybe his marks or that his teachers love him but in the eye of some foreigner he’s totally nothing (special). I would place a bet on Yanal’s success in his life.
- Finally, I’ll have to put on a little defence. Yep, “I” didn’t do anything special at school or college. But for the record I’ll have to report some points that might be of some little significance here:
1. On 2 different occasions I tried to ask for lab entry in my beloved faculty for some “research”. on the 1st time, I had this exact convo with vice dean: “Eish kolleytak 7abib?”, “6eb”, “Eza bashoofak hon kaman marra 3ashan eshi zay heik e3teber 7alak ma6rood men el kolleye”. I think some of you are familiar with that one. On the second occasion I was trying to convince the only doctor in the faculty that does some research to hire me as a volunteer assistant. He told me that he “Does not prefer to have anyone’s else name on his papers besides his”. I’m not too stubborn to try again.
2. This might not be the same as translating Harry Potter but I’ve actually took part in the translation of the first Arabic Anatomy Atlas and enshalla it will be released with my name on it in the very near future. Moreover, I’m “seriously” writing a 4th part for Lord of the Rings. Lazzy we are but I’ve went through some serious work on it.
3. Can you think of anything that is actually gonna give me a boost in my future carreer as a doctor that I can do now. Because considering what’s actually available to me here I can’t think of anything.
Finally, El gerd be3ain emmo ghazal. That might be an explanation for why I think we’re the best in the world. Are we the best hooky players int the world? no. Can we swim faster than others? no. Do we have the highest words per minute count? no. Does this mean we’re not the best? Hell no, not to me. Anyways, I’ll have to appologize for that statement “We’re the best”. I’d easily replace it with “I’m the best” but bragging is so infused into my core that I have a permanent nagging thought of concealing it.
I’d make things in the simplest way possible:
Would you accept to be one of those top-notch guys you refered to?
I’m not asking for the I am myself and should work harder bullshit, I’m telling you that if at birth you had the ability to choose to be one of them would you go for it?
If you do answer yes then I was utterly wrong, again. I just know that I would always choose to be myself.
What are your regrets in life? The fancy things u could but never did.
I’ll make a list:
- Saad regrets not translating Harry Potter.
- I regret choosing med.
- Malik probably regrets not spending more time with some girl.
- Yuri regrets not being his cool gay friend.
- Yanal probably regrets being as tall as he is now.
Being positive can be as good as being negative
i do have to second Elune on his thought, i too think that we are special “We are the best people on earth. If you do not feel the same then feel free to exclude yourself.” i do totally agree on that, and if you think that you dont belong to the WE, thats your own problem , i really think that we are the best of 1986., just watch other ppl behaviors ? or the why they think? or even what do they do !
and i do agree on a
“Our C.V’s when we were still at Highschool were exceptionally sucky but in comparison to the place where we came from they were at least above average.”
and the fact that i studied at jubilee and did somethings at school, landed me a job first thing i finished school, and i have been working since from a entiry level , to a senior research officer now , and all thanks to the fact i was in jubilee
Saad : Guessing is wrong , again, and DJ is “nice” !! .. again the fact that you dont know about what we do , doesnt mean that it DNE
Yuri also said:
“give us somthing that proves your the best! then speak!”
am gonna talk about Elune , since i knew him from the 4th grade !
IF the fact that his tawjihi grade said something about him,… or the fact that he was in the final for the physics / math Olympics or or the fact that he looks “Smart” , Elune is one of those who are true geniuses , since back in 4th grade, he was the only one who wrote ha2ola2 correct in the exam,,,, and so one ,if thats all not signals to he being special, and he is the best ! fa ma bagdar asa3dak then !!
and for malik .. as alway, try .. just try.. am not pushing you 7atta to grow some balls while ur in germany, ull sure need them once ur HOME !
Self confidence is a typical thing man! just believe me u sometimes utter things with out thinking! I still remember your stupid post about people want to go through life because they lust for power! Goodness you are still pounded to your first person view! or let’s say u are projecting what is inside you on other people! u made a good point though “being smart is something, being successful is a totally different thing” and unfortunately smart for u mean a smartass in math! and that is how u categorize people am dead sure u’ll say no I did not say that! yea u did not! so forget this point right now! another good point you made that I was about to talk is yanal! see I used to feel that yanal is holding back his true abilities, but I was thinking why? is it because the envy thing, or the pullys back at the school (these people has a bad effect on other Childs and it is carried out till the end of life) and may be both! bs you know what! he mainly do not like bragging (except when he is playing with the sniper
)! and far by now he is the one that achieved the most impressive record between us! he is not typical at all, he knows what he really is but he never try to do the show off. this guy is the best 
we really had lots of fun this semester right yanal? anyways I hope you got the point here! another thing that should stop ur bragging is that you are not the one who gave you what ever abilities you have! yea you are smart but are u the one who made u so? can u grant it for the rest of your life? u can not grant anything! am ain’t no angel and yea I do show off most of the time (u think u know when I do so bs believe me you don’t) and now that u mentioned it man (do not urge for not harming the others just do it unleash what ever u have inside) believe me I do not care much about hanging around with u! u can ask 3la2 and yanal and may be s3d since the last year! they all know this! and may be yanal was a bit sad about this fact! 3la2 too, he once told me indirectly about it the last winter! I know am looking like a rda7a here bs no problem! and guess what I do really regret every single fucken moment back at the school! and I just wait for the time to get revenge for my dignity that was torn to shreds by these fucken teachers! all of you were the spoiled brats of the teachers! you never knew how to be neglected! and it started since my 2nd bro was born! I developed a violence nature just for the sake of this thing! my whole life I was neglected! and I hardly could control it when I was strong enough to unleash it may be back at 11th grade! and most of you witnessed glances of these moments at dungeon and may be back at the school when I was a twjihi student! do u remember when the fucken Arabic teacher told ur parents that I was a bad guy and u should stay away from me! I do not remember any kind of relations between me and u at 10th grader! and I also remember that I was most of the time alone and not talking to anyone! so how come he thinks am a bad guy? that other one elasmar or I do not know! he used to talk to u and yanal but he never talked to me! and I can just think of some of the things they used to tell u! I mean when we used not to swim! you do not know anything about being hated! and believe me when u are strong enough to avenge ur dignity u won’t spare it! I already started! may be to ,say the truth, the only 2 things I do not regret is being a friend of u people, and the E.Q that I devaloped unaware of it being called so untill I read about it last year! I mean the balance of feelings, except in moments like the one I was writing the above! gash I think I was irrational writing the above! and yea man do unleash everything inside u! am waiting!
wll wll ya shabbab
hadoo ma beseer heek
yuri.. sho msawelak Elune ??
!!
Yuri, hadee
and besides, u really misunderstood elune , I THINK. anyway i won’t talk much about yuri’s response, since it was just one of those moments everybody go through.
no to the main issue, essam, yuri said a golden sentence, i didn’t think about it before, that this smartness or geniuss u have is not from you, of course everybody agree to that, but the thing is, what did you do with it? i am really happy to see you translate it part of something and abnout physics olympics, it is something, but if you remmeber, it chose it, and not vice versa. that what i am saying, we lack initative
i am sorry i have been away, so i don’t know every one what he did, like the research try is a great thing, it failed, but still u get half credits for trying, and u said it urself, u r not stubborn enough to try again, that what i am saying, most of the things that happen to us is just taking what is thrown at us. we don’t go out looking for stuff.
and if i am born do i want to be someone else, well this is unfair question since i don’t know the other persons compeletly.so it doesn’t prove much. i may want thei intellegeince or hard working, but don’t want their friends, or something else.
malik, u r stupid to think u can get 99.9 in saudia arabia, he was the first in his kingdom, then u should be the same in ur kingdom too. and u r idiot if you will keep thinking that u r better than them, especially he is now in stanford, so even if saudia is easy, stanford and mit are not.
another thing essam, u may didn’t meet smart people, or smart enough to see that they r smarter than you. i didn’t meet many myself, but seeing the stanford students, those are smart outgoing students, i am not talking about nerds who just get high gpa, i am talking about students who can do puzzles, go play soccer or warcraft and still do projects and research. i am not sure if this was taken into ur consideration.
what Severus said about us being above average, i totally agree, but i think with our potetentials, we can do more, essam, u should agree at least with this. do u really think that is the most u can do at this point? and please don’t ask me what u should do, because two things, i am not much better, and i don’t know what options u got, but that’s the thing, we need to look for options, rather than choosing them.
one last thing, essam, really think about it, do u really think u r the smartest person on earth? or u r just in an enviornment with smart people are not common. try to be honest with urself. if you said yes, i won’t be able to help you much.
and aah, being good and successful, that’s a good point, but is being smart means better? if we said no, then are we still better? do we work as hard as other people? or just because we r smarter we were able to keep up with them?
yuri said something i was thinking about lately, what is smart? we r math and logic smart, and i am lovin it, since i consider myself one of those smart people, but defining smart as that feels unfair to others, since they may not have much to do with it. so smart people are not just who understand things fast( even though i love this ability) i started to find other ways to define smart, some say, there is memorizing smart, like if you can memorize alot, that means u have special ability, so it could be called smartness, i know u may disagree, since we r not that strong in this field, but that ability gets u places, same as our smartness gets us places.
ok, i can’t remmeber other points being siad, it is getting tooo long for chatty discussion.i think it will be better face to face.
Yuri…man…
first, it was not that bad, i mean i got some shit from parents man…directly ….shit…me…fun times, you look back and laugh at these stuff…
and hey …i was the first one to be kicked out of the class…i am proud of that…and honestly i do not think anyone neglected you…it was your position from people…maybe you did not feel it then, but you did it…i do not know why..it is you, but look at it this way…every problem is a new expeirence, and it seems you learned , which is all you need…see..you are smart …to be successful though you have to pay me 1000 ….it is success fee….rules
buddy I did not say anything about students! I have always been ignored by older people! man that sux I somtimes asks why but no apperant reason! no really give one explanation for why they hate me! no idea! I only said little things about them up! lsn I do not give a damn about it but they abuse me with the fact that they are to be respected no matter what! and I really do not care about it but when I try to find the reason and do not I just go nuts! and do not tell me I was the reason! yanal, u, essam and even s3d shared the same thing at the first thing! we all were quit and calm! we started to change bs they kept abusing me! man the twjihi arabic teacher he was soooo mean for no reason! I will keep what he did to me as a secret! and man am not afraid of the fact that I am not smart! just believe me! I do know what I can do, not more or less! btw tawjihi teachers except for this guy all loved me and I felt it to my bones! and i was so happy about it! no really tawjihi was my best year except for the time at the end when I was facing a huge pressure from my mam! I love them all! t’3reed specially! swap also was very kind to me! all of them really! I would like to see most of them!
Yuri man
totally agree on you, old ppl, sp teacher sucked, and if u think that ur not smark, sho bedi a7ki ana, and “u, sa3ed, malic, and yanal, and haitham’ shared the same thing ..
thats why we have u, and u have us” cuz togather we are a part of smth.. togather we are, at least and this is how i feel, i really know that u guys will understand me when i talk, ull know what i mean, and i do feel comfort between u, more than anybody else ” i really dont care what happens to me by old ppl, even my boss, as long as i know that i have Friends like “US” that am SURE i can count ON any time, no matter what i feel some time towards haitham/saad/malic, i know at the end of the day that they are the ppl i can count on , at least thats what i think , and i hope that you share this with me
I can’t think of something smart enough to type. I do realize that we’re not perfect. It’s just the fact that this is going public with things that I like to keep hidden.
I just need time. Until then I’m having this thread frozen. No new comments will be posted. After we’re done with the whole thing, the whole thread will be erased. Will be unfrozen when I get a decent reply up. Sorry for the selfishness, just can’t let people make this detoriate any further.
I remember telling u this strange dream I had. People hitting on a friend of mine that’s usually 7neiti or Yanal and then me feeling everything going red and rushing to defend them. There was this disturbing part that I’ve never told anyone. These people who were hitting that friend of mine had the same face as mine. Maybe it’s time to stop it.
Sorry for the inconvenience. Please do not discuss this in any other thread.
Haytham
yea! sure! u are my friends! all of u! even u elune if do not enjoy hanging around with u any more
look at us! we are all away fom each others and still our friendship is just as strong as ever and may be stronger! and I keep telling yanal that I just feel the other people are geeks! I mean my friends at handasa! so people what about doing “I love u u love me we are a happy family” yala? 