Remember that blabbering about animals and their instincts? It was said that the animal’s top priority was to stay alive. Survival was main motive behind looking for food, water, protection..etc.
But then I remember while stydying Darwin’s evolution that it was stated that the main purpose of living things was to make their share of the genetic pool of the next generation in their community as large as possible. It all leads back somehow to sex being the most primal drive and motivation but I’m gonna ignore this theory for the moment as I’m trying to include all living things instead of just stuff that can have intercourse.
So, as I was talking with Severus the other day, this idea came to me. Is there anything that can prove whether it’s survival or the genetic domination thingy that actually has a higher priority to an animal? Is there any kind of experiment or natural situation that can illustrate this? And I think I got one. In a situation where an animal is to choose between saving himself and saving his offsprings it’s always saving his offsprings, most of the time at least. These emotions and feeling we’re referring to as maternal or paternal bonds might actually be the primary instincts, when found.
I think in a philosophical point of view this can be valid as a proof that genetic domination is more important to a creature than it’s own life. Why don’t we get this top prio instinct now? If supposedly all that was said is right then at the moment survival is most important thing until you get to mate with something. It gives a harsh meaning to our lives
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huh?
I’m so stupid I’d make a blind donkey smile
Edited by Elúne
intersting! but to discuss this thing we should define “instincts” and where they came from! we should start find what the source of instincts! it is there in ur brain since u were born! but how did u got it?
I don’t really care if you call them “instincts” or “hoobaloo” or even “buratomaka”, I’m just suggesting a proper animal that’s thrown in a natural habitat with no artificial stimuli will have its genetic domination a goal of its life and a motive for its actions. i.e the genetic domination in some subconcious way will have the highest priority when the animal decides what to do.
Btw, I think the source of these “Buratomaka” is the “folakkokeeki” center in your brain. That info enriched the discussion indeed.
I hope I’ve answered your questions. Now we can discuss this thing?
I saw that donkey smile Elixir
editing my comment u worthless goddess?
i have some stuff to say to u but not here, i want it to be personal :@ ,
well, let’s see! cats do act like that! they would die to defined their kittens! But if they failed to they will eat them up! is not that true? or is it a myth? am not sure abt it! but if it is so then we have to find another reason!
what other animals do we know about? not too many! a hippo for instance is a vegetarian animal yet it can kill a human being or any animal that it might regard as a threat to its horde! a male hippo for sure! and it have many female mates!
am not discussing but trying to see what kind and how much data do we have to start processing! so do really all animals act so? besides we should find what is that source that pushes them to do so! it will be very helpful! we can not refer to it as only genetic domination!
we should set our strategy to do that (I mean discuss the topic) and probably each of us has got his own so am asking to unite the starting point of this discussion! that is why I 1st want to find the source! because it is obvious that animals are willing to die for their offsprings!
i got some points about this issue
cats eat their kids to feed the others, this can be with and against the genes thing.
the other thing that crossed my mind, if that is true, then why some animals marry only one? if they want to spread their genes, they will screw every moving thing, and if that’s true, then the female and male won’t actually try to impress each other, well, maybe they want strong genes in their kids, but still, some only marry one,
so there might be a drive to keep the genes in the next generation, but i don’t see that as the top priority.
Slvador, Luckily I have the answer to the “why only one” question. You can find it in a Biology Textbook called Campell and Reece. The answer is taht these animals won’t be able to support all the offsprings if mating with many partners. Why not screw everything that moves? Remember that female humans for instance have something that we call period? Animals don’t screw with everything for many reasons, The ones I can think of is:
1. They might be doing it actually but due to fertility periods issues you can’t notice it.
2. Females in many kinds of animals do choose their husbands and not vice versa like in monkeys. So even if u want to stick ur weener up her garage she won’t let u do it.
3. A female being the property of somewhat stronger male. Like in the case of chickens. U would be scared and actually exposing ur life to danger if u dared to hit on the other cock’s chicks.
Btw, where did u get that cat-eats-its-offsprings thingy? I’ve never heard about it. I’m supposing you didn’t hear that from A7mad ebn el jeeran. On the same account, which animal were u refering to Slvador when u said that some animals marry only one? And if you don’t see the genetic domination as top prio then what’s top prio in ur opinion and how can u explain an animal’s willingness to protect its offsprings with its life?
Suggest a start Genki. I’m totally with you on that point
Ok! I might suggest different kinds of reproduction! That would mean asexual and the kind of sexual reproduction that bees and ants use! That would reduce the complex factors that might affect animals with complex behaviors such as mammals!
in defending a beehive against any outer threat what are the bees trying to defend? Their queen?
What pushes the germs and bacteria to reproduce asexually? and what pushes them to transmit genes?
I think answering these questions will help us orient our discussion here!
Viruses? they only reproduce! they never eat and they never do anything except using another living cell DNA to reproduce! that would be another thing to add!
cats do eat their offsprings if they cant defend them , i noticed that with the cat i used to raise at home, she had 5 kids but -for some reason- didnt know how to protect them; she left them bare naked under a tree not hidden at all , when 2 of them were chewed to death by other cats she finished off the other 3.
it was a massacre and my heart aches when i remember it,specially when she put all of her kittens - who were torn to pieces- on out doorstep.
and for ur discussion i dont have anything to say; coz im stupid.
Elixir, 5doni 3ala gad 3aglati.. bas how on this freaking blazed earth did that cat explain to you that the reason why she abandoned/ate her kittens was because she couldn’t protect them? And did u see it urself eating the kittens? Did u see the other cats chew those 2 kittens?
If I was a blind donkey, I would be smiling now
due to the fact that i hate u , and i havent actually seen the cat eat them but was told that by my family ; i will not go further with this .
instead i will trash ur stupidity.
why do u always have to think of worthless stuff? or why do u have to re-think stuff that has already been answered?
do u really think ur smart? i think i made it clear what i think about ur ” smartness” and i wont write it down here, but again why use ur brain resources on sth worthless and wont produce any positive outcome in the end?
its like spending a whole week trying to figure out if the angels can travel in speed of light or just jump through space? how is that any good in any way ?
and dont say ” ur using the third-point thing to convince me ” , how is ur discussion going to help us with anything now ? .
face it elune , ur a nooblet and a dumbtotem .
XZeeR, please do tell us , in what do u use ur mind !!, maybe we can learn, and stop thinking about “worthless and wont produce any positive outcome in the end” things??
and start hinking of things that can do “Good” , things like the things ur thinking of !!
i had the same thinking of Elune on that matter , and i often wondered about the Human behavior,
and i really want to talk the matter further , but i cant see that happening while ur acting all “smart-ass” and “cool”, again NOT having a facebook account Gives us More time to think on such things !!!
u effing human !! i DO NOT have a facebook account so stop mentioning that :@ , and i cant focus on anything for more than 5 mins so i dont think of anything at all, and that is why i say that u - thinkers of this nation- should stop thinking/bitching about worthless stuff and should start actually doing stuff.
WoW! I will be dropping some mighty comment here once I’m done with this jar of labaneh.
u eat labbneh , u worthless humans !!
hello,
i disabled my facebook account :p
so now i can comment
i heard the cats eat their children if they lack the milk in their breast to feed all of them, so eating some will provide her the ability to feed the others.
i heard this long time ago, so i can’t recall the setting. now why can’t we say that animals like their children, and it is love the thing they trying to protect, not because they have the same genes, and what about the monkeys that raise another monkey’s child as their own and protect them, they definitely don’t have the same genes, but still they protect them, so i don’t think it is the joy of spreading their genes what drives them ONLY. i think they appreciate other stuff.
the animals i had in mind that marry one, elephants and (since i watched good luck chuck) the penguins
animals (as species) are willing to sacrifice individuals lives to keep the chance alive for the next generations! that what I think is genetic domination at the end! it is not that a single cat is worried about its kittens! but it is that the whole punch of cats are trying to sustain their species and protect it from extinction even if it costs one of them to die!
i can see yuri’s point, but this goes against the idea of having sex as the top priority or spreading the genes, the love for survival for the whole specie is reasonable and acceptable.
to be honest, the more we think about it, the more i hard ti is to point one thing as the all the time top priority. i believe many aspects have different weights, and depending on the pros and cos of every action, the mammal or the living being choose which one.
spreading the genes 20 points
getting laid 10 points
protecting kids 20 points
hunger drive 15 points
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etc
I’m done with the labaneh..
I’ll be asking y’all to tell us where u got any piece of info u write here. I mean when it’s not an opinion of yours and you’re addressing it as a fact then we want to make sure it’s a valid scientific fact and not something you “heard” of. Because seemingly everyone heard their own fair share of bs throughout their lives.
Now, where is that proof that mammals protect the offspring of another mammal in the same tribe (or species)? I mean if your father was given a choice to die for u he’d proly take it but he wouldn’t if it was you’re uncle’s child.
All the talking about genes domination isn’t the only drive is 100% true.. but guess what? I never said it was the only instinct out there. I’m just saying it’s the main one, the one with highest prio. The one that would dominate your behaviors in times of stress. Our main point in my opinion (and since I’m a self-centered entity) is to try and prove the theory I’m introducing as wrong or right.
Elixir, I know I’m wasting my breath trying to explain stuff to you but I’m doing it anyways. This is not a worthless topic nor effort. Please, ask me any question about my hopes, goals and even the details of where I want to end up with this whole thing and I’ll get you at least 10 points proving that it’s more important than any thing u’ve ever been into so far and smack you silly in the same time.
Ye, about jubilee. Make Fares read this.. tell me what he thinks. Tell me if he’s even interested.
Finally, if we actually get an answer to this question that actually convinces everyone that’s reading this blog then I will be 1 line happier than before. It’s actually answering the physiological/philosophical part of the great question of life, universe and everything. Maybe it’s not scientific… maybe it’s not anywhere near accepted by the actual community of people studying this thing but if we all agree on one answer I’d embrace it till I’m a pile of bones (or someone talks me into believing some other explanation).
im hungry :(, severO food fest today ?
your paying ??
pretty late but I’m in too
Quoting from the sitcom “The IT crowd” season 2 episode 2:
Jen: “You can meet other people as well”
Roy: “Yea, I don’t like people”
Jen: “Oh, well, that’s not fair, Roy. Have you met all of them?”
Roy: “I’ve met enough of them. People.. What a bunch of bastards!”
Dudes, go get your dose of that show. It’s just fucktastic. The best thing I’ve seen since “That 70’s Show”.
i did , and remember “people are Bas6ards” la7ez el ” 6 “
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that was the best friggin thing i’ve heard, that and ” do i amaze u ? ”
I.T crowd is awsome idd
I thank God that Darwin died long time ago before I knew him! You know if he was living today with his other geek friend “Froid” they would say that the motivation for the new media and communication systems was pornography , ya I know most of you would support him for that, and hence sex is the ultimate motivation.
They would also say that armies were first thought of just for the sack of raping women and girls, and that the only reason for the cold war and iraq war is raping.
What else, they would give sex full credit for the rise of many sporys such as basketball, you know cheer leaders are the reason for the developing of basket. Also soccer! You can see lots of nude women at the stadiums.
I even discovered that my ass support him. He once told me that froid is an asshole I can get along with him very fine, and I can see why sex was the only concern in his life.
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Seriously ma tejii be Freud !!
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